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posted by georgezz@gmail.com on 06-18-2009 1:38 AM (775)
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posted by sandy@gmail.com on 05-10-2009 4:03 PM (772)
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I just got a parenting plan from my ex, that includes "no smoking or drinking around my son". I don't smoke in the house, and I'm sure as hell not blowing it in his face, nor am I much of a drinker. But I can't even have a glass of wine with dinner, then have a smoke outside? Two legal things I can't do. Yet, it's perfectly okay for my ex to jump from man to man, not get a job and live on welfare. Tell me, which is worse?
posted by squidypickle@bmi.net on 02-14-2009 1:27 PM (764)
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Well, well! Elders and children have been used as weapons against people who smoke, now dogs are due to be used to bash pet owners into submission. This follows on the heels of the announcement that all the hazards of tobacco smoke cling to clothing, skin and hair of people who smoke. Will it ever come to the point that "smokers" will be skinned, scalped and stripped naked to protect the human and animal kingdoms from extinction?
posted by lyndelle@bmi.net on 02-12-2009 9:00 AM (763)
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Don't feel too bad.....Minnesota has added a ban to all public parks & recreation areas.....seems the fresh air can't disemminate all that damned smoke quick enough!!!
jschm10635@bmi.net
posted by jschm10635@bmi.net on 10-30-2007 6:20 PM (576)
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Meanwhile, in the People's Republic of ...
California Considers Smoking Bans for Cars, Apartments
Lyndelle: Heartland Institute is another good resource.
posted by Kathleen on 05-05-2006 7:59 AM (228)
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That post at 8:30 a.m. about the elder "care" facilities, etc. was from me - I forgot to put my name on it before I hit Add to Blog
posted by Kathleen on 05-04-2006 11:41 AM (217)
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Just thought I'd let you know that the link to here you posted on smokersclub takes one to the "login area - for members only". I used the one I'd bookmarked (http://my.bmi.net/PublicBlogs.cfm?ThreadID=60&BlogID=31)
to find you again.
Also, a HUGE warning about what could happen if Oregon adopts the same type of law as Washington did. Watch for language that includes "all public buildings", since that could mean any government subsidized complex - such as the one where you now live. In other words, it's possible that smoking in your own apartment could become illegal!
Since you mentioned your concern about seniors, you will be appalled to learn that here in Washington, people in elder "care" facilities must find some way to get themselves 25 feet from the buildings they have called home. Some have incurred severe injuries and all have had the unpleasant experience of being consigned to "designated smoking areas", many that provide no shelter from the weather. This is a totally inhumane law!
posted by on 05-04-2006 8:30 AM (216)
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Hi Kathleen, a big welcome, and it's so nice to be found. At SmokersClubInternational, my screen name is "aloneinbakercityor".
I notice your links are active. I hadn't taken the time yet to learn if we could do that. Thanks for educating me :-) I've edited Michael's post to activate the link to his book. I suppose he'll forgive me for this unauthorized edit.
In fact, I just learned our posts here can be in html language. How nice :-) Ideas separated into paragraphs make reading the post much easier. To make a new paragraph 3 key strokes are required - One left carat < . One P. A right carat > One P enclosed in a right and left carat.
I've checked the links from your post, taking the time to read well. I especially liked the ten biggest lies. Wow! Michael has done such a great job on his book, which I referred to as "braindead", not much can be said but Wow! It takes one candle to end the darkness. If read, these ten lies are ten candles!
posted by lyndelle@bmi.net on 05-03-2006 9:59 PM (213)
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Aha, found you! This is a great start, Lyndelle. The best way to strip ASPs (love that acronym) of their power is to make people aware of what's going on and this looks like a good place to start. Fortunately for you, Oregon voters WILL be asked to make this decision - apparently some time next year. So you do still have a chance to get the word out.
Matt - I urge you to do some research about this subject too. Sounds like you're one of those who has been led to believe in the harmful effects of second-hand smoke and that you also feel smoking bans are inevitable. It is exactly because of that belief that people are allowing this loss of freedom and invasion of privacy to occur. And it's spreading very rapidly. You say, if you don't like it you can move. Even if that were practical, pretty soon there won't be anywhere to move to!
A good place to start getting educated is with a quick read of "The Ten Biggest Lies About Smoke and Smoking. I already recommended Dissecting Antismokers Brains and I see the author himself has checked in here. Michael J. McFadden provides the rest of us "freedom fighters" with some great inspiration.
You can find other links and information on my blog The Smokers' Rebellion and if you need a bit of "offline" encouragement, you can email me. kathleen (at) yc2 (dot) net
posted by Kathleen on 05-03-2006 4:49 PM (209)
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Hi Michael. Thanks for the visit. Thanks for the link to your book. Sorry, I could only remember the title as "braindead".
posted by lyndelle@bmi.net on 05-03-2006 3:28 PM (208)
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Hi Matt... now we know the most recent post goes to the top of the page...now we're smarter.
Thanks for your powerful comments. However, hopefully no ASPs (AntiSmokingPartisans) will read this blog. I've opened it hoping to get together with local people, who smoke, don't smoke, don't smoke anymore, never smoked, etc., who want to shut the ASPs up, strip them of the federal and state funds they have at their disposal, strip them of the current power. I don't mean to strip them of their vote. I mean to encourage, inspire, urge their victims who supply the funds to the government to get educated, speak up, register and vote.
A problem I've encountered recently at Smokers Club International,
is that there are smoking bans being enacted into law in some states without being on the ballot. So how do we get around this?
Smoking bans divide us from family and friends sometimes, but this new ASP activity is designed to remove children, grandchildren, greatgrandchildren from their families. Are foster homes always a loving environment for these children? No. The ASPs already have control there.
I've just recently learned of this new development. I'm still grasping for any straw, any idea I can come up with to strip these ASPs of their power... power given by default.
Thanks again for your visit and your comments.
posted by lyndelle@bmi.net on 05-03-2006 3:25 PM (207)
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A parent who chooses to live a lifestyle which involves driving their children to school or shopping or such is far more of a child abuser than one who smokes in a decently ventilated home with children. You are not only subjecting your children and others to vastly greater amounts of pollution from your vehicle, but you arfe also threatening them with instant death and maiming in an accident.
15 years ago when I was in my "radical bicylist" mode I might have championed removing children from the homes of active drivers. Since then I have learned the value of tolerance and also learned I do not have the right to play God over other people's lives and decisions even when those decisions arguably affect my life to some extent.
I can only hope that today's Antismokers can learn the same lesson.
Michael J. McFadden
Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"
http://www.Antibrains.com
posted by Michael J. McFadden on 05-03-2006 3:05 PM (206)
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Okay, it's time to add my two cents about this. First of all, I'm a smoker, and I have kids. I don't smoke with my kids in the car, and I don't smoke in the house either. However, I don't hesitate one bit to smoke outside while we're out there playing. I guess it's a good thing I live in Oregon.
I don't think that smoking around kids is child abuse, however I don't think it's right either. Laws are founded to protect people from themselves, and those around them. If the Washington public decides that you can't smoke in your private residence, so be it. If you don't like it, move. There are plenty of other states that don't give a crap what you do in your home. Just remember, it's the public voter that we all need to fear. The person next to you at a stop light; in front of you in line at the grocery store; the mechanic working on your car; the lawyer you will hire to appeal such a proposterous law. That's right. We have nothing to fear but our neighbors. The voting public is who will be to blame for our eventual communistic loss of rights. When smoking is outlawed, they will go after other things.
But here is something for all you anti-smokers to think about. What about your car? What do you think puts out more oxygen depleating toxins: my cigarette, or your gas guzzling SUV with a soccer mom sticker and two sets of golf clubs in the back? What about all those helpless pedestrians and bicyclists that have stopped driving their cars to save money and to help pitch in to save the ozone? Or the children in strollers that you pass along your day to day trips? Should they have to inhale your toxic exhaust when you drive to the ballot boxes to vote against my cigarette? I don't think so, but I'm not about to stop driving either. So you will get my cigarette, when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.
I have moved to Oregon, in part because Washington residents are less free. And yet the only people to blame, are the people who voted for it. Thank you public for your slight nudge to a less free America. My hat goes off to you. But remember one thing in all this rambling. You have the right not to like what I do, just as I have the right to do it.
posted by matt@bmi.net on 05-03-2006 2:44 PM (204)
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The Next Treacherous Step: Smoking=Child Abuse
from :http://smokersrebellion.net/covert.htm
On April 27, KATU in Portand, Oregon, published a news item on its website. Dr. pushes to make smoking an act of child abuse
The doctor is Chris Covert-Bowlds, hailed as "the father of Washington's new sweeping anti-smoking law for public places." As a resident of Washington state for less than a year, this is the first time I was made aware of him and his apparently major role in our "sweeping" smoking restrictions.
Perhaps that's because - as the article states - he is "is a member of the informal, unorganized and quiet movement toward making it a criminal act to smoke around kids. " ("Covert" action, so to speak?)
The news item warns us outright:
"…there is another anti-smoking movement brewing behind the scenes, (my emphasis) with the potential to reach much further into people's private lives. The movement is to make smoking around kids a form of child abuse. The crime would include smoking while you are pregnant, smoking around kids inside your home and smoking inside a vehicle with kids inside. "
Of all the deceptive practices used by the Antismoking Crusaders, I strongly believe this represents the most treacherous turn in the road yet. This man is a fanatic. He and others like him have every intention of bending a gullible public to his will.
When you add his underhanded, "covert" methods to the fact that he has been financially backed by GlaxoSmithKline. (Scroll down to his letter to the editor of American Family Physician and read the note at the bottom.); you will fully grasp the implications of this announcement aimed at voters in a state planning to put its own smoking law on the ballot next year.
I strongly urge readers to take action. On my blog about this issue, I have posted a link to a list of Oregon newspapers, as well as a copy of the letter to the editor I sent to all of them. It's going to take more than a single "voice" to draw any attention from the media or the seriously misled public, however. Especially since:
" Results from a KATU News/Survey USA poll show that a strong majority of people in our area think smoking should be considered child abuse, whether it is while pregnant, while in the car with a kid or inside your home. "
This is no small matter. And the impact isn't confined to Oregon and Washington. Another quote from the KATU news item tells us that there are approximately 17 states where smoking has been "the central issue" in a custody case.
Please speak out before our society is pushed off the cliff into an abyss from which there is no way to emerge!
posted by lyndelle@bmi.net on 05-03-2006 8:56 AM (202)
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